"Agreed but not sure we are taught it that way"
It's a calling NOT an occupation. We have NO paid staff. Pay our own way. Funds raised go 100% to ministry w/no overhead.
Jesus Christ is life. Ministry was an aspect of His life... an extremely important one at that. He's our perfect example.
Ministry may be a job, but is it your lifestyle? Make sure your seat is secured in Heaven too. Glory.
From a non-pastor-- ministry is my life, through Christ. How can one separate the two?
my ministry is an extension of who I am. When I'm healthy I have a healthy ministry. When I'm unhealthy, an unhealthy one
Nope. I can't agree with that. It shows up in all of my life, not just when I "clock-in" or when I'm working for a church.
Ministry (Gk diakonia) is serving or servanthood. Downward mobility. Jesus says,"Do as I do". NOT a job but a lifestyle!
What if both are stewardships: Each, according as he received a gift, to one another ministering it, as good stewards..1 Pe 4
tends to come with job expectations. Rather, I'd call it the freedom to just BE.(I've been reading TheShackagain)
The best ministry is oftentimes just being in relationship. I wouldn't call it a job description, that
I see ministry as the calling of every Christ-follower. Your job, whether pastor or plumber, is part of that.
GOD don't want weekend visitation, GOD wants full custody!
Ministry is a way of life ... !
"Ministry is what I am and do because of Christ in me and what flows out. I receive a check for my "job" to minister called a pastor. Too many layman leave the ministry up to those who get the check. My struggle is...have I cared for some people because I'm getting paid to? Is that ok to say out loud? In those cases it would be what I'm paid to do, i.e. a job. And so is that true ministry? This questions makes my head hurt. I'm going to lay down."
"This is very important. Before I was a pastor, I spent 32 years as a university professor. When I made demands on students that meant additional demands on my time. It had a way of taking over my life. Now that I am a part time pastor that travels to area churches and work from home when I'm not on the road, I find that it can easily take over my life also. It is also very easy to allow ministry demands to squeeze out time for personal meditation and spiritual growth."
"There must be balance between one's calling and their life, health, and welfare...In Phil 2 Epaphroditus is spoken of as having been ill, in fact near death, and this due to his labors to help Paul. The reason he did not die is because God had mercy...mercy being the prevention of a consequence his actions would have otherwise resulted. If we seek the Lord's wisdom and grace for balance we can be and remain effective over a longer term. Many of us are aware of those dedicated to ministry who labored so hard they ended up dying before their time. Some even have said that they would rather burn out than rust out... With the Lord's wisodm and grace we can be sustained, live a long effective life, and be satisfied...(Psalm 91)"
"I may not be a "pastor", but I am working in a ministry that at times can consume my life. And there are times that that is okay and it's God's appointment. And there are times that I have to draw a line and say, "I'm sorry, but I can't talk to you about this now, but you could call me at my office." When we start drawing a line, I feel we are leaving out the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives to lead us. Gotta be listening, not making rules."
"I agree with Bret - it's both. Not to sound too holy or righteous but separating it sounds pretty dualistic and not so Biblical."
" It's hard for me to look at Jesus, or even Paul, or James, or any of the other early Christian ministers and see that they differentiated. The call consumed their lives. Which is probably why Paul recommended that marriage made it all the more complicated. I suppose to answer your question well, we'd need to further define "ministry." For honestly, much of what full-time pastors do is not truly ministry. Budget reports and the like are to me much less ministry than pastoral counseling and Bible teaching. Of course everyone's call is different, and some who are better with numbers may be called to do budget reports as a ministry. But I think you get my point. However, I think that the true problems arise when we start to draw the lines of ministry and non-ministry too dark. As Christians, not even pastors, we can't compartmentalize our lives. All of who we are is in the service of Christ, so our whole lives are obedience to him and ministry to others."
"I think reiteration is needed for this question,the way it's worded. I don't believe one can differentiate between the job and the life. As a minister, you are either commited to following the path of God or you aren't. You either provide counsel for those in need, or you don't. I don't see being a minister as a job, but as part of my life, an extension of myself through God. It might have been my choice to make to choose whether or not to follow the calling, but without those in need of spiritual guidance this doesn't exist."
"Interesting question, I believe that the Father God has so intricately woven into who I am, that which He has called me to do, that at times the two are inseperable. Ephesians 2:10 tells me that He created us with the capacity and inclination TO DO, what He ordained us thus would have us to do. Yet let me add that even in the divine order, He created us to have priorities in life that supercede the call to minister. One such example is that my relationship with Him, comes before any ministry He has called me to perform, as does my marriage and home life. According to Paul's epistle to Timothy, one cannot so much as be a deacon except their marriage and home be in order."
"My perspective on this statement is less about 9-5 or calling, and more about boundaries? For me, the answer is yes, there needs to be boundaries between the two. Ministry is my life. I don't stop ministering once I've taken off my pastor hat. At the same time, there are boundaries between my role of leading a church and raising my family, caring for myself, etc. Without boundaries, I run the risk of allowing my calling to run my life rather than the Holy Spirit. Is it my job? Yes. Is it my life? Yes. Are there times to separate the two? You better believe it! Great provocation, Scott! I want specific thanks in the book you're writing for this! Haha!"
"If I think about how God ordered things, taking care of the family He gave us is second only to Him. While ministry is a great responsibility, God and family are first. God and family first means to me that they are my life. Ministry is so very close behind. But I can't say I can call it a 'job.' I think of it more as my mission given by God. But then again, even when I am on the job, I am still on mission. Hmmmm this is a brain-teaser. I looked up 'job' online with Merriam-Webster's dictionary (www.m-w.com) and I suppose it could apply but we tend to think of most 'jobs' as drudgery...doing it because we have to. The first 2 definitions give a negative connotation and the 3rd is: 3 a (1): something that has to be done : task.....maybe it's too rhetorical to have a definitive answer."
"Ministry is a calling. There are job-like aspects to it, particularly when dealing with some of the peskier details. Since I am also called to the arts, I consider myself a clergy-artist."
"It's both!!! Certainly can't live without Christ."
"Ministry is my calling,not my job. There are times it may feel like a job, but then I am not listening to God. I am named and claimed by God to be an ordained pastor,just like others are named and claimed by God to teach, or coach, or... My life is interwovenn in this... when I retire, I will still do ministry."
"That seems like a "trick question". The same could be asked of professional athletes, artists and musicians. I think it is both."
"Ministry is my job. Faith is my life. I can walk away from my job at the end of the day (admittedly, this is some days more challenging than others). I can never walk away from my faith. I get inspired and encouraged, and uninspired, too, by the things of the world. I love God, and that's probably why I chose ordained ministry (or maybe it chose me) as my job/vocation in the world. But it's not who I am. My baptism is more important to me than my ordination. And I think I'm a better pastor because of it."
"part of this discussion is somewhat "semantics" around the word/conception of "job". I manage a hotel - full-time job. My work here can become "my life" and that's not good. BUT, still, there is something integral about my "job" and my "life" which would make me hesitant to "buy in" to the statement as it was originally proposed. Good thoughts, you all!"
"Wasn't ministry Jesus life?"
"I have a question too...do you get paid to minister?"
"Ministry is life, being a pastor is my profession"
"No disagree ministry is all of our lives.....I just happen to get paid for my serving the Lord.....however that is God's grace. Truth is my family would pay if we had to in order live as all out servants of the Lord! I guess some would call it a job......for me its a privileged call given by grace and requires me and mine to lay down our lives if need be......Radical discipleship"
"No disagree ministry is all of our lives.....I just happen to get paid for my serving the Lord.....however that is God's grace. Truth is my family would pay if we had to in order live as all out servants of the Lord! I guess some would call it a job......for me its a privileged call given by grace and requires me and mine to lay down our lives if need be......Radical discipleship"
"Seems like your passions should be your life - people, ministry, cars, family... work can certainly be a persons "life" or a passionate part of it. "Job" indicates chore... very few passions have time clocks."
"Scott, perhaps you know which of the responders are in the full-time pastoral ministry. I'd be interested in knowing if there is a clear delineation of opinion from those in FT ministry vs those not. I had no idea the pressure pastors lived under until I became one."
"enjoying reading all the opinions ~ one little question seems to have struck a nerve in us all~ enjoys all the different outlooks."
"I am trying to figure out why this statement "Ministry is your job, not your life" doesn't sit well with me...it probably has to do with the fact that for nearly 10 years I actively worked in ministry (even though it was not in the pastorate ministry). I really did look at what God called me to do as ministry and a way of life for me. For me, to look at it any other way would almost be likened to being a Christian just on Sundays. Now, that doesn't mean that being sold out for ministry replaces family time, rest time, etc. God gave us the commandment for the Sabbath and I also believe He desires us to live out His ministry first & foremost in our families."
"I don't think I agree... but maybe I'm not taking it the right way... ministry=serving in the gifts/how God made you- for His purposes - that to me is my life."
"My ministry is my family. Being a pastor is my profession. We will accomplish far more good for the kingdom of heaven by sending Godly, whole, passion filled children into the next generation than by preaching to the masses. 300 years from now, the extent of our impact on the world will depend on our progeny, not our congregations."
"I'm called by God to preach His word. So, I actally dont have a job I would say a calling. As soon as I see it as a job only, then I can quit at 5. I wonder if we posed that question to the Apostle Paul how he would reply?"
"I am not a Pastor, but I disagree,, Ministry should be everyone's life ( not limited to Pastors) You never know when or where God is going to put someone in your pathway. :)"
"I'm wondering.... should our life (the way we live) be a ministry to others...just like Christ's was?"
"Scott, thanks for the reminder! I intellectually say, that is correct, but I live the opposite. It has been a huge struggle. I live with gulit when I am doing one or the other. Of course, I'm like many pastors, just kind of messed up."
"As I walk in my home office every morning, I say to myself "this is my mission field""
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